Wednesday, July 04, 2007

To Thomas Jefferson, With Love

Well, it looked like a love story to a 5th grader who was totally obsessed with everything Revolutionary. But I was mightily disappointed when I actually saw the thing. At the time, I thought "1776" was kinda boring, though the music had a pretty good beat, and you could minuet to it.

Looking back, it makes so much sense that I ended up loving romance novels -- especially historicals -- after years of devouring every non- and fiction work I could get my hands on about the Revolutionary War, historic New England, witchcraft, the Pilgrims, Jamestown, etc.

What a flippin nerdball. I mean, my youthful fantasies were totally built around my chubby little tween self getting transported back in time to one of those locales and being seen as totally hot (because they liked their womenfolk fleshy in those days) and smart (cause, sheesh, most women couldn't read or cypher).

But then the fantasy crashed/burned, cause I figured somebody'd accuse me of witchcraft when I made some kind of reference to the time I came from.

I was thinkin maybe some of you have/have had similar fantasies. What time period would you have liked to live and love in? Do you find the idea of a Revolutionary lover appealing? Perhaps a Minuteman?

Have a brilliant Independence Day as you think on it!

41 comments:

Portia Da Costa said...

A very Happy Fourth of July to all my American buddies! I'm a Brit, but I don't bear a grudge about losing the colonies... LOL!

I think that Ancient Egypt might have been a cool time period to have lived in...

Eve Silver / Eve Kenin said...

Happy 4th!

As much as I love, love, love reading historicals (and writing them, LOL!), that's where the fantasy ends. I know too much about the history of disease and the time before germs were discovered to actually want to go back and live there. Of course, if I could go back to an altered history where everyone bathes, washes their hands, and is aware of the dangers of microorganisms, that might be a different story. I know, I know, I'm such a killjoy...

MaryKate said...

Happy 4th, Bellas!

I'm with you Eve wouldn't want to live in the past...but I'd be happy to curl up with Roarke in 2058. Move over Eve Dallas! LOL!

MaryKate said...

Hey Michelle - I think you need to "Vanna" your RITAs gown and post a picture so we can all see it!

Also, having been lurking around the WARDen's site, have you read LOVER UNBOUND yet? What did you think??

Playground Monitor said...

I saw 1776 on Broadway in 1970 -- the original run. I loved John and Abigail Adams singing to each other from afar. "Saltpeter, John." "Pins, Abigail." What a blockbuster cast.

It's romantic to read about other times, but I like indoor plumbing and permanent press too much to live back then.

Happy 4th!

Marilyn

Stacy~ said...

Happy Independence Day! May your night(s) be filled with fireworks ;)

I have to agree about the whole germs/bathing thing. Knowing what I know, I couldn't go back in time an era that didn't bathe on a regular basis. I don't care how pretty the clothes are. I'm a proud member of the dirty girl society, but not that kinda dirty.

I don't know, I guess I like the freedom we have now, especially for women. Sure, having a pirate lover or a Duke fall in love with me sounds rather appealing, no question. But I'm pretty happy with a guy in worn jeans and a t-shirt, or no shirt at all. I have simple needs *g*

Stacy~ said...

Portia my dear, what's the name of the book w/ Mr. Stone, the one the Bellas are all raving about? I want to buy it but I will probably have to get it on-line and I want to make sure I get the right book. Thanx!

Keira Soleore said...

Happy Fourth, Bellas!!

I wouldn't want to live anywhere where they didn't have flush toilets, drinkable running water, and central heating/air.

I'm sure MaryKate is about falling over in surprise. I'm a huge historical fan, particularly of the Regency and medieval period. However, one description of odiferous garderobes and one look at gray shared bathwater (in a movie, no less) leaves me thankful to living when and where I do.

Nope, not even for Ioan Grufyyd or Gerard Butler would I travel back in time. Fantasy is great and all, so long as it stays that way and doesn't become real.

Sorry, Bellas, didn't mean to go off like a firecracker, but I'm particularly fond of flush toilets.

Keira Soleore said...

Just caught up with previous posts. SUPERB interview, Michelle!! Simply superb! You make interviewing a superstar like Jackie look so easy. You're just there having fun and oh by the way, here are a few questions as we chat and such. Great, great work, Bella.

Hope to catch you at the zoo AKA National Conference in a week. Will you be at the Literacy Autographing in addition to the Awards night? I figured the rest of the time, you'll be hobnobbing with the top 0.1% where mere mortals such as moi (that is the lower 5%) won't have entree. :)

Portia Da Costa said...

Hi Stacy

The book you're after is ENTERTAINING MR STONE... That's the first book with Robert Stone in it. And if you find you like that one, you might also want to look out for SUITE SEVENTEEN, in August, 'cos he's a supporting player in that too. :)

Portia Da Costa said...

Yeah, I have to agree with everyone... The *fantasy* of living in historical times is fun and romantic, but I couldn't cope without my mod cons and health care and all that...

ev said...

I am much more of a future girl myself!! Especially if Roarke were to be in it!

Hope everyone had a great, safe, Happy Fourth!!

Stacy~ said...

Thanx Portia! I look forward to reading it.

Another modern convenience I wouldn't give up - a/c! It's supposed to be getting hot starting today (it's been a mild summer) and I'd die without that lovely cool air to keep me sane, because sweating in public is so not attractive, or fun.

Stacy~ said...

Oh and thanx to MK for inspiring my blog post on one of my favorite hotties, Clive Owen (and the reason I first discovered RbtB). I loved him in King Arthur, and here's my little tribute to the movie:

www.trelainastarblazer.blogspot.com

Julie in Ohio said...

Good mornin', Bellas!!

I have fantasies about living in the south just before the Civil War. I would love to be a southern belle with the fluffy dresses and lovely accent. And just maybe if I were a very good girl, a lovely boy named Rhett would come and sweep me off my feet. ;o)

I get what everyone is saying about modern conveniences but just like in stories where nobody has to go pee or shave their legs, my fantasy works the same way. :oD

Elizabeth Kerri Mahon said...

I've always been a revolutionary war nut. Johnny Tremaine was one of my favorite books growing up, and I love 1776. Having said that, if I went back in time, it would have to be during the Gilded Age, when people started having indoor toilets, and women were starting to make strides towards getting the vote. Although sometimes I fantasize about being a placee in New Orleans just before the Civil War. I blame Barbara Ferry Johnson's books for that.

Julie in Ohio said...

The roaring 20's were also a fun time in the cities. I love the clothes that were worn, too.

There's also something about the simplicity of "Little House on the Prairie" that makes me want to go back to that time. It was a lot of hard work but the pace was slower and for someone who goes full speed ahead 24/7, there are days I'd like to give it a try.

Michelle Buonfiglio said...

Thank you, Jules! That's the spirit! And even though I'm a northern girl born/bred, if I had a Civil War fantasy, my hero'd have to be some rough-around-the-edges Johnny Reb, strapping Southern boy. Oh, gosh. There goes my morning. I had no plans, no plans, I tell you, to have some historical fantasy instead of working. Thanks, Jules!

Johnny Tremaine! Holy God! That was one of my favorites, too, Elizabeth! (I remember you. How are you, Bella?) And "April Morning," too. They're the novels -- as well as "Witch of Blackbird Pond" and "Pilgim" novels -- that got me so hepped on New England and the Rev war history.

Oh, and I loved the PBS Kids series about the war, "Liberty's Kids." I even loved the theme song (oh, that Aaron Carter's soooo dreamy....) Rap it wit me, suburban girls: "red, white and blue, never give up, you re-pre-sent...America!"

Michelle Buonfiglio said...

oh, Jules. I wanted to be Laura Ingals Wilder, too. Remember that meanie, Nellie?

MaryKate said...

Does anyone else remember The North and the South?? I loved that miniseries! Patrick Swayze before he was, Patrick Swayze.

So swoon-worthy. But still...nope, wouldn't want to live it. But I'd love to go to a fancy dress ball and wear a hook skirt and crinolines. The only time I ever wore something like that was when I was married, and all I really remember about it was that it was hot. Damn hot.

Julie in Ohio said...

MK-- That mini-series fueled my fantasies. All the men were so dashing and the ladies so refined.
Again, my fantasy is Pre-Civil War. Once the war happens, I'm Canada bound. ;o)

Michelle-- I adore a good period piece. The only time periods I can do without is any that include wigs. I think it's sexy when a man pulls his hair back into a neat pony tail but the wigs are just wrong. That goes for ladies wearing them also.

Michele Hauf said...

Give my 18th century Paris anyday. I'll suffer the lack of plumbing, health care and tampons just for the fab dresses and frock-coated fops. I'm so serious. Anyone got a time travel machine? Beam me back!

M

Vivi Anna said...

Give me a time period where I could wield a sword. And I'd be a happy woman.

I would've liked to have fought side by side with Joan D'Arc. She rocked. Although the burning at the stake thing would've sucked big time.

But yes, the not bathing and brushing of ones teeth gives me the heebie-jeebies.

Monica Burns said...

Ok, you gals NEED to take an outdoors survival course and then you'd be able to handle going back in time. LOL

As a life-long camper and someone who believes in past lives, and has had a past life regression, living in the past wouldn't be as difficult as you think IF you knew what you know now, AND you were in love. DEEPLY in love with someone. Love can conquer everything, even the lack of modern conveniences.

No A/C? Remember that in the past the earth had hot temps, but as a rule, not as hot as they are now for such extended periods of time. Also, remember the blacktop of roads and concrete trap the heat in our cities today, which keeps things hot. Brick absorbs heat, but has insulation type of properties that keep it from raising the temperature. It makes for great protection in cold and heat, so a lot of homes in the past were made of brick or mud (in the past bricks were made from mud and straw).

Being in the country in the shade can actually be quite pleasant. Growing up, I remember summer days in IL that were 120 degrees in shade. Yet sitting under a shade tree out in the country with a gentle breeze blowing was pretty comfortable, and I don't do heat.

As for brushing teeth and bathing two positions. If you know the benefits of both, you'd still do it. It might be a little more difficult to achieve, but you'd manage. Baking soda tastes lousy, but it's great for brushing your teeth with. And there were toothbrushes back then, just not as plentiful because people understand that good dental health worked hand-in-hand with overall physical health.

During my past life regressions, I experienced poverty in the Middle east, life as a knight, witch trials in the middle ages and a horrible existence as the loyal servant of an aristocrat during the French Revolution and its Terror.

None of those lives were pleasant, but not because they lacked modern conveniences, but for the inhumane actions of others. The regression was far from what I would have expected. I went in for the fun of it, and came out quite shaken. I tried through my childhood and into my adult years to wear those beautiful cameo chokers, sexy turtlenecks or crew t-shirts. around my neck. Now I know why I can't.

So I could survive okay in the past, but the only time period I'd want to visit would be late Victorian, pre-Edwardian time frame and as a wealthy person. OR as Viv's puts it, someplace where I could wield a sword. Hmmm, of course the last time I did that, I got murdered while I was playing with my son. *sigh*

Monica

MaryKate said...

Umm, Mon, you're invited to my get Vivi/Mon drunk and experience the wonder.

I'll be plying you with drinks too.

My life is SO boring!

Monica Burns said...

LOL - Can't be MK...you're far too interesting a person for your life to be boring! You're bright, sharp and a definite asset to the human race.

Ya know, there's a reason why I have six displays swords hanging in my house. ROFL My pride and joy is the French rapier. God it feels good in the hand...almost as nice as a long, thickly engorged...ummm ok we're a PG blog, so I'll stop there. *evil grin*

Stacy~ said...

Nah, sorry Monica, give me a/c, Crest toothpaste, shower gel and the internet, and I'll survive just fine.

Jules, I think you have to be a really bad girl to get Rhett ;) - I bet you're up to the challenge.

MK, I definitely remember N&S. Me and my friend Wendi would watch it at her house and drool over Patrick. There were a lot of gorgeous clothes and the homes were opulent (before the war) but it still doesn't make me want to go back. Oh, and you are so NOT boring. Everything Monica says. I love the way you think.

So, any big plans for the weekend, bellas?

Portia Da Costa said...

Weekend?

Work, work and more work!

Seriously, I have a ton of stuff to do, and I must keep moving with my WIP...

Monica Burns said...

What Portia said. Edits to finish on Mirage. I have to read the whole thing out loud to try and catch all the mistakes I can. I'm hoping to be done by Sun so I can delve back into the new paranormal series. It's so much fun to write. Adventure! Love IT!

Julie in Ohio said...

Stacy-- I have to be a bad girl? Hmmm, maybe Monica and Vivi teach a class on that. ;o)

I don't have alot going on this weekend. A picnic with some friends on Saturday. Other than that it's cleaning for me. Does anyone know how a house can get so messy so fast? I swear, I just did the same thing last week... :oD

MaryKate said...

I'm headed to the beach with a friend for the weekend. I'm really looking forward to it. It'll be very low key and relaxing. I'm finishing the first in the Gardella Chronicles, which I'm enjoying so much. I've got the second on deck, so I'll have something to follow it up with. Yay!

I leave for my vacation in four short weeks, but who's counting?!?!

Julie in Ohio said...

Vacation? That's a word that I don't hear (or say) often enough. Where are you going, MK? (and do you have room in your suitcase for me? :p)

MaryKate said...

If you saw my suitcase, you probably could fit in there, Jules it's big enough! LOL!

On August 9th, three friends and I are flying down to San Juan, where we'll stay at the Wyndham Rio Mar, which is a fancy-schmancy resort. Then on the 12th, we'll board a cruise ship and will cruise to Antigua, Barbados, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and St. Lucia. We'll get home on the 19th. I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to it!

Monica Burns said...

Antigua, Barbados, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and St. Lucia.

OMIGOD MK, that's WAY to hot for me!! I'd have to be part of a nudist colony to deal with that, and then everyone would be dropping dead when I walked by, and NOT because I have a body like Angelina Jolie!

Mon

Julie in Ohio said...

HOW FUN!!! I'd be jealous if I weren't so excited for ya. :o)

MaryKate said...

Mon - Mainly, we're doing water-related stuff, so it should be OK. Plus, I'll be slathered in SPF 30 the whole time with a hat on. LOL! So, it won't be glamorous, but it should keep me from charring.

Yeah, it'll be hot. But man, I'm really looking forward to the pampering! Really, really.

Monica Burns said...

Pampering is fine as long as it's a man's hands doing the massage!! LOL You'll have to tell us all about it when you get back!

Mon

Keira Soleore said...

MaryKate, your trip sounds fabulous!! Have a great time, and do tell us all about it (with pecs, er, pics) after you return.

Vivi Anna said...

MK, I'm sooooooooo jealous. I'd love to do a trip like that with friends....

hmm, now you got me thinking...

I haven't been on a holiday like that since I was 23 and went to Bermuda for 10 days.

I think I need one soon.

Oh FYI, I'm reading Eve's DRIVEN. And let me just say that it's freakin' awesome and I'm so envious that I didn't write it. Bravo Eve! You're book is going to the top of my best reads of 2007 list!

MaryKate said...

MK, I'm sooooooooo jealous. I'd love to do a trip like that with friends....

hmm, now you got me thinking...


A couple of years ago, a bunch of my girlfriends who are single and I were talking about the fact that we tend to sponge onto our family's vacations, rather than going somewhere by ourselves. So we decided that we all were making enough money to afford to be able to travel together and go some really great places. So for the last few years we've been doing it.

It's been really fun. We get to go fun places, and we've pretty much settled on a group that has a great time together, approaches vacationing the same way, and is willing to spend about the same amount of money.

It's worked out really well. I'd recommend it to anyone.

Angie said...

We watched 1776 in my middle school history class. At one point I looked around and realized, beside the teacher, I was the only one still awake. I love that movie! But is it wrong that I loved John Adams and Ben Franklin more than Thomas Jefferson?